[ZIGX]

Sup guys i am planin on gettin a 2007 Volvo S60R manual . My Friend have 2006 Subaru Impreza STI . THe engine is close he has 300HP 300 Torque all weel drive 4 cyl , turbo same with volvo exept volvo has 5 cyl and 295 torque .. Reallly close .. who do u think guys will cross a finish line first???? IF both shift Good.

[Tantrum]

ZIGX, on Aug 29 2006, 05:03 PM, said:

Sup guys i am planin on gettin a 2007 Volvo S60R manual . My Friend have 2006 Subaru Impreza STI . THe engine is close he has 300HP 300 Torque all weel drive 4 cyl , turbo same with volvo exept volvo has 5 cyl and 295 torque .. Reallly close .. who do u think guys will cross a finish line first???? IF both shift Good.

Hey ZIGX, welcome to the board. Congrats on the 07 purchase. What package and color combo are you getting?

Truthfully, I think the STI will take the R in a short sprint from a dead stop because the STI can get a better launch, is lighter, and has a more durable clutch that can handle a 4KRPM dump. However, the R, IMHO, will pull on an STI in the taller gears at a rolling start in second gear. Also, you'll arrive at the finish line in more style in the R. The STI is a plastic nightmare inside, with terrible seats and controls. The R on the other hand, is a refined sports sedan. Really apples to oranges IMO. The only thing in common is the 300 HP/~295 lbs of torque.

[peterm]

Hi there!

I'll chip in a little - here's the guff on the WRX http://www.theautoch.../23/134049.html
'tis quicker than the stock R (ranges from 5.5 to 5.7 sec's depending on the review). The handling is meant to be excellent, but the ride shocking. The people that I know that have had them dont usually stick with them for that reason, although they are probably getting too old for them, like me....

[mrsideways]

Well the STI has a number of advantages...
400+ lbs lighter
Shorter gearing
Unbreakable drivetrain so they can launch ALOT harder.
Slightly underated in hp.

I've seen them dyno stock up over 250 at the wheels. I'm not sure what the S60R's are dynoing to the ground though.

A stock STI will run 12.8 - 13.0 @ 103-105 mph.
A Stock S60R will run 13.8-14.1 @ 100-102 mph.

But they sound Awful untill you get the equal length headers.

From a Roll you'll probably give him a good run but from a stop his ultra short 1st gear plus the ability to lunch at high RPM without scare of breaking stuff will probably toast you.

[ZIGX]

peterm, on Aug 30 2006, 06:47 AM, said:

Hi there!

I'll chip in a little - here's the guff on the WRX http://www.theautoch.../23/134049.html
'tis quicker than the stock R (ranges from 5.5 to 5.7 sec's depending on the review). The handling is meant to be excellent, but the ride shocking. The people that I know that have had them dont usually stick with them for that reason, although they are probably getting too old for them, like me....

hey Pererm i kinda didn't understood wich car u were talkin in the end. for wich car u gettin old or people getting old for S60R or STI???

[peterm]

ZIGX, on Aug 31 2006, 09:14 AM, said:

hey Pererm i kinda didn't understood wich car u were talkin in the end. for wich car u gettin old or people getting old for S60R or STI???

The STI - at least the R irons out the bumps for these tired old bones...unless it is in "advanced" of course - that can be a spine crusher. Solved that one, though - beefed up the ECU by remap - now 350 odd hp and 480Nm torque - get the "advanced" acceleration out of "sport" or even "comfort" modes...just have to leave it more for the straight lines. I suspect that it would knock over a stock STi at the moment, at least until we hit a bend. It'll be a long time before I'm too old for the R!

[Silver60R]

Hey guys I'm new to the fourm. I joined in search of ideas to tune my 06' S60R. Just to add to the topic, I spanked an STI the other day on the highway at 140 MPH. And yeah I have a buddy with an STI and they are shitty inside.

[SHIFT4SPEED]

Heyy guys, well u know what some of u guys wont bleave me but i recently beat an STI, we were moving from 45+ and killed him over 100+ it was like bumper to bumper lol after that i was like ....i love my babee. But our Rs have alot of power once they start moving. I know an STI can kill us from a dead stop. But if u roll and start ....they got no chance . Alsooo i beat and Dodge Charger SRT8 which also was a very close race...but not as close as the STI. Soo if u like Style and performance ... and u want to livee lol, get an S60R.

This post has been edited by SHIFT4SPEED: 07 February 2008 - 03:58 AM

[ZIGX]

Great I wonder what are the results could be if the S60R would be moded

[allwheelsdriven]

well I will add here as my first post that at least the s60R owner can still hear themselves think past 80 I love my STi but its pretty raw

[S60R]

I pulled on an STi on the highway as well. I'm sure he'd kill me off the hole, but at highway speeds, it's a different story.

mrsideways, on Aug 30 2006, 11:05 AM, said:

I've seen them dyno stock up over 250 at the wheels. I'm not sure what the S60R's are dynoing to the ground though.

I dynoed 247awhp/255awtq, stock, sae corrected.

This post has been edited by S60R: 20 March 2009 - 08:59 PM

[dcasandman]

Guys Stock vs Stock Car in all performance aspects the STI will pull the the R. Quarter mile times are over a full second faster, to 60 times are more than a full second faster, and trap speeds in the quarter is greater than 15mph different. I loved my S60R when I had it, and I definitely do not have an STI, but the R will not pull the STI with a good driver behind the wheel at anytime from a roll, stop, or track. The other thing is very few STI do not have tunes and the put down an Easy 310whp with just a tune on a mustang dyno.

This post has been edited by dcasandman: 23 March 2009 - 12:16 PM

[S60R]

dcasandman, on Mar 23 2009, 07:15 AM, said:

Guys Stock vs Stock Car in all performance aspects the STI will pull the the R. Quarter mile times are over a full second faster, to 60 times are more than a full second faster, and trap speeds in the quarter is greater than 15mph different. I loved my S60R when I had it, and I definitely do not have an STI, but the R will not pull the STI with a good driver behind the wheel at anytime from a roll, stop, or track. The other thing is very few STI do not have tunes and the put down an Easy 310whp with just a tune on a mustang dyno.

Have you ever actually raced an STi on the highway?

The R isn't a 1/4 mile car. Get over it.

This post has been edited by S60R: 23 March 2009 - 07:47 PM

[dcasandman]

S60R, on Mar 23 2009, 07:55 AM, said:

Have you ever actually raced an STi on the highway?

The R isn't a 1/4 mile car. Get over it.

There is really no need to race one one the highway and drive dangerously off the track. You can look up the million 06 or newer models acceleration times on the STIs or Evos and compare them. It is quiet embarrassing from 60 plus mph. I keep my review of the R since I use to own one and it cannot hang with the new generation Rally cars. Not even close guys. Im not bashing the R I loved the car, but I do like to be realistic and h have true numbers to back it up. Look them up in any magazine motor trend, car and driver, any mag. There is not one acceleration test the R can win with an STI or Evo newer than 2006. Unless every the car mags post false acceleration numbers. Plus R top speed is less than STIs. I DO NOT OWN AN STI!!!! JUST LOOK AT TRUE NUMBERS THOUGH

This post has been edited by dcasandman: 07 April 2009 - 09:53 PM

[S60R]

dcasandman, on Apr 7 2009, 04:53 PM, said:

There is really no need to race one one the highway and drive dangerously off the track. You can look up the million 06 or newer models acceleration times on the STIs or Evos and compare them. It is quiet embarrassing from 60 plus mph. I keep my review of the R since I use to own one and it cannot hang with the new generation Rally cars. Not even close guys. Im not bashing the R I loved the car, but I do like to be realistic and h have true numbers to back it up. Look them up in any magazine motor trend, car and driver, any mag. There is not one acceleration test the R can win with an STI or Evo newer than 2006. Unless every the car mags post false acceleration numbers. Plus R top speed is less than STIs. I DO NOT OWN AN STI!!!! JUST LOOK AT TRUE NUMBERS THOUGH

So you're saying that numbers on a mag hold more water than actual road "tests" by forum members? There are many factors that influence road test results. Every day commonly variable factors like ambient temp (our ICs suck above 85F), tire pressure and condition of vehicle. Even weight of driver and amount of gas in the tank can impact the outcome over 2 cars if the cars are that close to one another...just because the mag's professional driver was able to obtain results in the middle of a desert doesn't mean those results will hold everywhere else with daily drivers.

I'm sure modded STIs will kill an R, and I'm sure some model years will too in stock form, but I also know that the one I encountered did NOT. It took 2 gears for the R to walk the STI, but it DID - and going WOT on a straight road has nothing to do with skilled drivers, so it doesn't matter who's behind the wheel, it's all car. I punched it, he punched it, I won. Others report similar experiences. Believe me when I tell you I was just as surprised/shocked as he was, if not more. But don't come in here pointing to a magazine calling our stories BS without a real world experience of your own.

ps - at 60mph+, I'd say you're still in STI territory. From my experience, the R starts to take over around 80-85mph+

This post has been edited by S60R: 09 April 2009 - 04:04 PM

[dcasandman]

S60R, on Apr 9 2009, 11:02 AM, said:

So you're saying that numbers on a mag hold more water than actual road "tests" by forum members? There are many factors that influence road test results. Every day commonly variable factors like ambient temp (our ICs suck above 85F), tire pressure and condition of vehicle. Even weight of driver and amount of gas in the tank can impact the outcome over 2 cars if the cars are that close to one another...just because the mag's professional driver was able to obtain results in the middle of a desert doesn't mean those results will hold everywhere else with daily drivers.

I'm sure modded STIs will kill an R, and I'm sure some model years will too in stock form, but I also know that the one I encountered did NOT. It took 2 gears for the R to walk the STI, but it DID - and going WOT on a straight road has nothing to do with skilled drivers, so it doesn't matter who's behind the wheel, it's all car. I punched it, he punched it, I won. Others report similar experiences. Believe me when I tell you I was just as surprised/shocked as he was, if not more. But don't come in here pointing to a magazine calling our stories BS without a real world experience of your own.

ps - at 60mph+, I'd say you're still in STI territory. From my experience, the R starts to take over around 80-85mph+

When you have enough test of a vehicle most the conditions have been covered. It makes me laugh when people discount prefessional times and testing. These guys do this for a living. I had a S60R and loved it but its not pulling a STI newer than 06. Sorry, you can report experience, but regardless of the condtions times of greater than 1.5 sec on accleration times is not driver error. Even if you gave .5sec on either side the sti still walks off. Maybe you were up against one of those do it yourself ricers that actually hurt the perfromance of the car, but the R does not and will not walk a correctly running STI. If you are saying this then your stock R can pull a 335 as well since their numbers are identical, and I have been on high way with 335 and it was much faster.

I also always hear 85+ is R territory. The car weighs 4klbs and only puts down 215 hp to the ground on Mustang Dyno. Mine was dynoed. It cant kill a car that regularly puts down 267 on the same exact dyno.


Like I said I do not own STI and am not a Fan boy, Nor would I ever buy one.

This post has been edited by dcasandman: 20 April 2009 - 03:42 PM

[S60R]

dcasandman, on 20 April 2009 - 10:37 AM, said:

When you have enough test of a vehicle most the conditions have been covered. It makes me laugh when people discount prefessional times and testing. These guys do this for a living. I had a S60R and loved it but its not pulling a STI newer than 06. Sorry, you can report experience, but regardless of the condtions times of greater than 1.5 sec on accleration times is not driver error. Even if you gave .5sec on either side the sti still walks off. Maybe you were up against one of those do it yourself ricers that actually hurt the perfromance of the car, but the R does not and will not walk a correctly running STI. If you are saying this then your stock R can pull a 335 as well since their numbers are identical, and I have been on high way with 335 and it was much faster.

I also always hear 85+ is R territory. The car weighs 4klbs and only puts down 215 hp to the ground on Mustang Dyno. Mine was dynoed. It cant kill a car that regularly puts down 267 on the same exact dyno.

I don't know what you are smoking but let me spell it out for you one last time - I beat the STi I bumped into from 4th through 5th gear. This was summer of 07, he was definately stock and looked brand new, but I don't know what year model it was - coulda been a really clean used model.

The 2004 S60R has a curb weight of approx. 3,571lbs, NOT 4,000lbs as you say (see link below), compared to an 07 STi's 3,351lbs (google search), is only 220lbs heavier. Add some variances for options and what not, and I'd say that the cars are within 300-400lbs of each other. Yes, it makes a difference, but it's not the end of the world and, in my opinion, a small price to pay for the 10x extra luxury and ammenities of the R over the STi.

http://www.volvoclub...s60r_specs.html

I dynoed mine at an AWD Mustang dynamometer and it put down 247WHP/255WTQ.

Many others report the same ability to pull on an STi at freeway speeds. Stop being such a tool. Most of us love our R's and don't care either way - if an STi pulled on the R on the freeway then that's what you would hear from us, or at least from me. But thus far, on the one that I bumped into, I came out ahead.

Also - my R is a 6-speed. The auto transmission R is much slower, though 06/07's are almost as fast as the manuals. If, back when you had your R, you got owned that bad from an STi or a 335, maybe it was your R that wasn't running correctly or maybe you had an automatic?

I haven't bumped into a 335 yet, so I cannot comment there, other than to say it is a beautiful car and I do like it.

The general consensus is this - off the line, an STi will eat an R for breakfast, from a rolling start, it's anyone's game, and variables such as weight of driver/gas/passengers and condition of vehicle (these will likely be daily drivers, so maintenance is crucial), will impact the outcome. Get over it.

This post has been edited by S60R: 17 June 2009 - 04:05 PM

[grovevolvo]

Hi Guys,

This may be an old topic, but I added my picture for some interest.

I have owned a WRX and an old school STI 2dr, given I had both 10 years ago. First comment I had the WRX for 4 months before it started falling apart, the STI was faster and a bit more special at the time (there was a limited run of 100 into Australia at the time) so I put up with it for 6 months! The S60R, although not my only car, I have had for 3 years and plan on keeping it (I was going to mod it a few months ago but haven't had time yet).

I have run it at the local 1/4 miles and as an Auto it runs consistent 14.2's which seems faster than the US times, but we also get to run 98 Octane from the pump which I think helps. I drive a bit and my reaction times are low and the car ran in line with the standard WRX's and beat the rookie drivers. The WRX's with any mods left me watching their rear bumper though!

I agree with the comment that the R's are not 1/4 mile scrappers. They are great, value for money, all rounder (except the wooden steering).

Cheers MC